May 10, 2010

Coming Home, Ed Dale Seminar / Conference and List Control Conference in San Diego

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Well, in a nutshell, here’s why I will NOT be going to the Ed Dale Coming Homee conference, and why I will be attending the List Control conference, and a quick marketing lesson …

First, some background, I’m not the normal conference attendee in that I have complete freedom to choose when and where I go to conference, and money can safely take a back seat to location, fun, and yes, even content (and yes, that sadly tends to rank last in my list). As I’ve said before, I mainly go to seminars to recharge my batteries, and to give me a strong push in productivity. Typically, while I may not learn a ton, I tend to meet a few good people, and always tend to have skyrocketing productivity, whenever I attend a seminar or conference. It’s always worth it…

Ed Dale has a conference in San Diego this weekend, and Frank Kern is two weekends later - both in San Diego. The first, called Coming Home, I’ll pass on, and the second, List Control, is “free”, with the purchase of Frank’s product.

I attended, strangely enough, Ed Dale’s and Frank Kern’s last conference, which they did together in San Diego a few years back. I remember it well, because … well, I didn’t like it very much. I didn’t get very much out of it, and thought it was poorly run. That being said, I actually didn’t hold that against them (everyone can have a mis-step every now and then), and I follow Ed Dale and Frank, obviously, and have purchased a lot of their stuff. As for Ed Dale, I’m an immediate edge member, purchase every course Ed does, and think he’s quick funny, bright and straightforward as an internet marketer.

However, after having been to a prior Ed Dale conference, bought every course he’s done, and been a current immediate edge member, I simply don’t think I should pay the same as a brand new student of his. No, it’s not about the money - as he is asking a relatively small amount for the conference - but it is about how you treat your customers. Internet marketer’s by and large, have a horrible way of forgetting about their customers moments after they’ve made a purchase. I’ve felt this way again, and again, and likely, if you are reading this blog, and a compulsive course buyer, you’ll know of what I speak.

So, when I asked if there was an alumni rate, a special, a discount, or anything, it kind of sucked when I was just treated like everyone else. I was simply told to go to the main page if I wanted to attend. I mean, isn’t ANY seminar an easy way to give a thank you to your customers or even a small discount of appreciation? Would it have cost anything to have a special discount page, or even a thank you page for registration, aimed towards past customers? Should every conference do this?

In short, the answer is yes. You’ll see this done again, and again, in many conferences - and I’m a supporter of it, because it DOES work. Even a small discount, or treatment that makes you feel like you’re treated slightly better for being a customer, or an active follower, really hits that psychological trigger of appreciation. I’m a strong believer in this, and you’ll see this spread throughout my marketing.

For example, I have a seminar coming this summer. Over 1000 people attend (and no, it’s not in the marketing niche). However, this seminar gives me the ability to appreciate my customers. I give them special rates, and bonuses, if they attend. I let them know I have not forgotten them, and quite the opposite, I remember their purchases from years ago, and continue to pile on thanks, and bonuses. It gives me the opportunity to thank those whom have purchased from me, and I take the opportunity firmly. I want my customers to feel special, and know that they are treated special as well.

So, no “Coming Home” for me it seems. No problem. If I start off by not feeling appreciated, I can’t see how I’ll feel any more appreciate when I get there. That being said, I understand, Ed probably would have acted differently than, perhaps, the customer service rep whom I talked to. Regardless, just using this to make a point.

Let’s contrast this, briefly, with List Control, where the seminar comes as a bonus to a course. It’s a little bit of an unfair comparison, but as you can tell, since the conference is a bonus, I already FEEL appreciated for buying the course. For many, the reason they bought list control, WAS the conference! We all know it’ not free - hotels, flights, taxis, food, etc … it still costs thousands of dollars to attend. However, because we, as customers were “given” this as a bonus, it was very easy to say yes, and very easy to appreciate the “gift” of being able to attend. Frank has made me feel appreciated for being a customer - plain and simple, and it worked.

How can you appreciate your customers? It’s easier than you may think!

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  • Hi Allison!

    No, this wasn't linkbait! :) I was obviously kinda planning on attending, and even bringing some employees down as well, but then sincerely changed my mind, and thought I'd write about it to make a marketing point. I'll still be at Frank's event ...

    As to your points ... I re-read over my post, and I didn't mean to be negative about immediate edge. That was just an example of the numerous ways that I am a customer of Ed's. I care that Ed is flying half way around the world, but your second point, about no sales - that's not what I experienced at the last event that both Frank and Ed shared.

    As for Frank, I have contacted him a few times, and have always received fairly quick responses. Probably just luck of the draw. My point was, as you said, giving customers benefits for being customer's is cool. I simply thought there was a missed opportunity in this case - and since I was rebuffed, and dismissed seemingly out of hand, decided to bring it up. Simple as that ...

    Regardless, I am dying to know what you think of the event, and obviously have been encouraging others to go, since my own employees were attending. I hope you have a great time (and decide to share you experiences with the rest of us). I'll certainly share my experiences at Frank's event as well. :)

    Principle is most important to me ... We'll see what happens! We don't have long to wait ...
  • Being Australian I was at the Melbourne iteration of Coming Home so I am speaking from what i have experienced and that does put me at the advantage. While a fan of Ed's I didn't respond to encourage you to go, just to query an opinion that was foreign to me, and to right what I saw as a wrong (again coming from prior experience of the event).

    You mention Ed and Frank's last seminars and I am wondering which one you are referring to. Underachievers was in 2006 (ancient history in the world of IM) and then anything after that (and I could be terribly wrong) would either be Ed's or Franks, with each other guest starring. addendum: just read through Ed's sales letter and yep, it's 4 years since Ed was at his own conference so anything you have seen since would have been someone else's conference platform ( http://www.tubbynerd.com/ComingHome3/).

    Still an opinion is an opinion and I am always interested in how marketers are affected by other's marketing.
  • Hey Allison!

    Same here, value most opinions. Yes, I attended in 2006. I'm an old timer in the IM world, having been "full time" for over a decade. Time flies when you're having fun. :) For the record, I like Ed, and Bob, and the whole crew or I wouldn't have considered coming in the first place. I think he acknowledged that the 2006 conference did not meet up to his expectations at the time, and I certainly wasn't the only one.

    Very interested in what you think of this one though ...
  • Well that's an interesting point of view you have there. I have to say I am a little perplexed by it though. You say money is not an issue, but you want to be shown appreciation by being offered a discount.

    You say you buy every course Ed does (of which most are free through Immediate Edge anyway...which means you are getting a massive amount of content for the cost of your IE membership) and that you want more free stuff (which is what a discount really is, part of the offering is free.

    You don't seem to care that Ed is flying halfway round the world to ensure his American customers get to see him personally,(compared to Frank driving down the road from La Jolla). Or that what Ed offers is a all practical and no sales conference. Something that is rare to non-existent these days. So the conference will be a real boon to the attendees, not a pitch fest disguised as content. That sort of conference is what I appreciate as a customer, and I certainly don't feel that I am being taken advantage of which is blatantly obvious at most conferences.

    What all this says to me is that the cash is the most important to you. The content is secondary. From my point of view Frank has been clever with his marketing (will there be selling from the stage by his "buddies"? will he be getting a cut? will he be making cash on top of the course money?). That isn't appreciation in my books, that's squeezing the last drops from the orange.

    Ed appreciates his customers just fine by being accessible, responsive, practical and engaged. Try contacting Frank without a big fat open check book. I think maybe what you have been trying to say has missed the point. If you are trying to point out that your customers benefit by being given discounts then that's cool. But to say that Ed doesn't show his appreciation because he does give a discount, well that's not cool . And if this was link bait well that isn't cool either.
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